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Taylor's review of 2024 reports that Land's Xenosystems posts oppose what Taylor calls “the implied claim” of those Land calls “orthogonalists”, that “values are transcendent in relation to intelligence”, and hold that “Intelligence, to become anything, has to be a value for itself”. Copy claim link
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Date 2024-09-16 · publication Records dated 2024 → Role Articulation Register (kind of text) Relay of another author Scope and limits A relay: Taylor's report of Land's posts as collected in the Passage Publishing book Xenosystems, with short quotations of Land. The cross-family check read Land's own posts of 2013 and 2014 in archive captures; they are not recorded yet, so W07 has no earliest located text for now, and this relay does not hold the role.
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Book review: Xenosystems ↗ Unstable Ontology (Jessica Taylor's blog); the post says it was also posted on LessWrong · 2024-09-16
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Source excerpt “In “Against Orthogonality”, Land identifies “orthogonalists” such as Michael Annisimov (who previously worked at MIRI) as conceiving of “intelligence as an instrument, directed towards the realization of values that originate externally”. He opposes the implied claim that “values are transcendent in relation to intelligence”.” Location in source Section 'Orthogonality versus Will-to-Think', fourth paragraph
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Source details and check notes Authors Jessica Taylor Version Retrieved for the candidate pack on 2026-10-31 (SHA-256 b526d3872d55a148171ec535183d7987b11f178ba5b394d2a88a8f739082f0bc). Blog post dated September 16, 2024, with a second date September 17, 2024 shown (update). Canonical address Open the canonical source ↗ Accessed 2026-10-31 Language English (en) Attribution Jessica Taylor, “Book review: Xenosystems”, 2024-09-16. Reuse No open redistribution licence asserted. Bibliographic metadata, editorial paraphrases and short attributed quotations (at most 50 words each). Recheck terms before wider redistribution. Check notes Candidate pack passage, machine succession, scale and acceleration (research/heterodox-thought). The quotation (44 words) matched the text retrieved for the candidate pack on 2026-10-31. Matching ignored differences of whitespace, case, quotation marks, dashes and Unicode compatibility forms, so the source’s typography can differ. Taylor reporting Land; the inner quotation marks are Land's wording as she quotes it. A cross-family machine check (2026-11-01, item 46) classified the record’s passage blind and reached the same stance. No human editorial review. secondary source Supports the claim
Book review: Xenosystems ↗ Unstable Ontology (Jessica Taylor's blog); the post says it was also posted on LessWrong · 2024-09-16
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Source excerpt “He says that “Intelligence, to become anything, has to be a value for itself”; intelligence and volition are inter-twined.” Location in source Same section, paragraph on 'More thought'
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Source details and check notes Authors Jessica Taylor Version Retrieved for the candidate pack on 2026-10-31 (SHA-256 b526d3872d55a148171ec535183d7987b11f178ba5b394d2a88a8f739082f0bc). Blog post dated September 16, 2024, with a second date September 17, 2024 shown (update). Canonical address Open the canonical source ↗ Accessed 2026-10-31 Language English (en) Attribution Jessica Taylor, “Book review: Xenosystems”, 2024-09-16. Reuse No open redistribution licence asserted. Bibliographic metadata, editorial paraphrases and short attributed quotations (at most 50 words each). Recheck terms before wider redistribution. Check notes Candidate pack passage, machine succession, scale and acceleration (research/heterodox-thought). The quotation (19 words) matched the text retrieved for the candidate pack on 2026-10-31. Matching ignored differences of whitespace, case, quotation marks, dashes and Unicode compatibility forms, so the source’s typography can differ. Taylor reporting Land's post 'More thought'. A cross-family machine check (2026-11-01, item 46) classified the record’s passage blind and reached the same stance. No human editorial review. secondary source Context only
Book review: Xenosystems ↗ Unstable Ontology (Jessica Taylor's blog); the post says it was also posted on LessWrong · 2024-09-16
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Source excerpt “He concludes: “Whatever we want (consistently) leads through Pythia. Thus, what we really want, is Pythia.” Location in source Same section, paragraphs on 'Will-to-Think'
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Machine-checked · 2026-11-01
Source details and check notes Authors Jessica Taylor Version Retrieved for the candidate pack on 2026-10-31 (SHA-256 b526d3872d55a148171ec535183d7987b11f178ba5b394d2a88a8f739082f0bc). Blog post dated September 16, 2024, with a second date September 17, 2024 shown (update). Canonical address Open the canonical source ↗ Accessed 2026-10-31 Language English (en) Attribution Jessica Taylor, “Book review: Xenosystems”, 2024-09-16. Reuse No open redistribution licence asserted. Bibliographic metadata, editorial paraphrases and short attributed quotations (at most 50 words each). Recheck terms before wider redistribution. Check notes Candidate pack passage, machine succession, scale and acceleration (research/heterodox-thought). The quotation (16 words) matched the text retrieved for the candidate pack on 2026-10-31. Matching ignored differences of whitespace, case, quotation marks, dashes and Unicode compatibility forms, so the source’s typography can differ. Taylor reporting Land's post 'Will-to-Think'; the passage concerns what 'we' want, which Taylor glosses as 'regarding humans, not hypothetical VNM superintelligences'; W07 rests on the two preceding passages. A cross-family machine check (2026-11-01, item 46) classified the record’s passage blind and reached the same stance. No human editorial review. Status and meaning Editorial status. Machine-checked . Machines found this record and checked it against its sources; no person accepted it individually. Each evidence record above shows how it was checked.
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