Claim · 2000-06-22 · publication · Stated in source · Supported

Yudkowsky's Extropians list message of 22 June 2000, replying to a notice of a documentary on de Garis's "Gigadeath Artilect War", states that the projection of "Cosmists versus Terrans" is utterly unrealistic.

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What it connects

Re: Hugo de Garis → contests → Conflict over building superhuman machines

Where it appears

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Claim and evidence

Re: Hugo de Gariscontests ↓Conflict over building superhuman machines

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Supporting evidence: primary · 1 source

Date: 2000-06-22 · publication Records dated 2000 →
Role: Contesting, Earliest located
Register (kind of text): Nonfiction
Engagement: States the contrary. Rejects the projection of "Cosmists versus Terrans" as utterly unrealistic, without engaging a premise.

Scope and limitsA short list message; it gives no argument against the forecast beyond calling it unrealistic, and also concerns Bill Joy's proposals.

The evidence 02

primary sourceSupports the claim

Re: Hugo de Garis

Extropians mailing list archive (hypermail copy at diyhpl.us) · 2000-06-22

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Paraphrase

Yudkowsky writes that the futuristic projections and remedies of de Garis and Bill Joy are so unrealistic that they seem selected more for dramatic impact than for realism.

Location in source message body

How it was read Retrieved directly from the publisher

Machine-checked · 2026-11-01

Source details and check notes

Authors: Eliezer S. Yudkowsky
Version: Retrieved for the candidate pack on 2026-10-31 (SHA-256 6e2060ae4c42774209d7ec73411550a3ec329decd2f17a151e4639d5400edca6). Hypermail archive page of the message dated Thu Jun 22 2000 12:13:13 MDT; retrieved with a plain curl user agent.
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Accessed: 2026-10-31
Language: English (en)
Attribution: Eliezer S. Yudkowsky, “Re: Hugo de Garis”, 2000-06-22.
Reuse: No open redistribution licence asserted. Bibliographic metadata, editorial paraphrases and short attributed quotations (at most 50 words each). Recheck terms before wider redistribution.
Check notes: Candidate pack passage, machine succession, scale and acceleration (research/heterodox-thought). The paraphrase is Selekoa’s, written from the text retrieved for the candidate pack; it is not a quotation and was not machine-matched. A cross-family machine check (2026-11-01, item 33) classified the record’s passage blind and reached the same stance. No human editorial review.

primary sourceSupports the claim

Re: Hugo de Garis

Extropians mailing list archive (hypermail copy at diyhpl.us) · 2000-06-22

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Source excerpt

“Cosmists versus Terrans? What planet did these guys grow up on?”

Location in source message body

How it was read Retrieved directly from the publisher

Machine-checked · 2026-11-01

Source details and check notes

Authors: Eliezer S. Yudkowsky
Version: Retrieved for the candidate pack on 2026-10-31 (SHA-256 6e2060ae4c42774209d7ec73411550a3ec329decd2f17a151e4639d5400edca6). Hypermail archive page of the message dated Thu Jun 22 2000 12:13:13 MDT; retrieved with a plain curl user agent.
Canonical address: Open the canonical source ↗
Accessed: 2026-10-31
Language: English (en)
Attribution: Eliezer S. Yudkowsky, “Re: Hugo de Garis”, 2000-06-22.
Reuse: No open redistribution licence asserted. Bibliographic metadata, editorial paraphrases and short attributed quotations (at most 50 words each). Recheck terms before wider redistribution.
Check notes: Candidate pack passage, machine succession, scale and acceleration (research/heterodox-thought). The quotation (11 words) matched the text retrieved for the candidate pack on 2026-10-31. Matching ignored differences of whitespace, case, quotation marks, dashes and Unicode compatibility forms, so the source’s typography can differ. A cross-family machine check (2026-11-01, item 33) classified the record’s passage blind and reached the same stance. No human editorial review.

Status and meaning

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Record ID ht-w04-yudkowsky-2000-re-hugo-de-garis