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Crocker’s reply of 1996-12-31 disputes that a boxed Power could talk its way out by lying. Copy claim link
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Date 1996-12-31 · publication Role Context Register (kind of text) Nonfiction Missing element The exchange concerns persuasion to gain release, not a later change of behaviour. Scope and limits Classified with the other messages of the thread, none of which states a later change of behaviour.
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Re: Goal-based AI (Extropians mailing list) ↗ Extropians mailing list · 1996-12-31
Archived copy, captured 2015-04-27: Re: Goal-based AI (Extropians mailing list) ↗
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Source excerpt “Even a hypothetical cognitive power is constrained by reality--he can't lie to me about the laws of physics” Location in source Message body, first unquoted paragraph (reply to the quoted Yudkowsky passage)
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Source details and check notes Authors Lee Daniel Crocker Version Archive HTML as served, retrieved 2026-10-06 with the hash recorded by the 1996–2022 candidate search; quoted lines excluded when reading the author’s text. Archive at extropians.weidai.com. Canonical address Open the canonical source ↗ Accessed 2026-10-06 Language English (en) Archive copy Open archived copy, captured 2015-04-27: Re: Goal-based AI (Extropians mailing list) ↗ . Captured 6691 days after the recorded publication date. An archive copy shows only what the archive retrieved on 2015-04-27. It does not prove what the page said earlier, and it can differ from the copy checked on 2026-10-06.Attribution Lee Daniel Crocker, "Re: Goal-based AI", Extropians mailing list, 1996-12-31. Reuse No open redistribution licence asserted. Bibliographic metadata, editorial paraphrases and short attributed quotations (at most 50 words each). Recheck terms before wider redistribution. Check notes The same passage as the B2 record. Status and meaning Editorial status. Not reviewed by an editor . An exploratory record that no editor has accepted. This status does not say whether a person has read any linked passage. Each evidence record above shows how it was checked.
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Date. Sent header: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 14:43:37 -0800 (PST) (sender-local date).
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