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The SL4 message “Re: SIAI's flawed friendliness analysis” (2003-05-29) contests Y04. Replying to Ben Goertzel, who suggested Bill Hibbard's definition of human happiness was less absurd than it seemed, he cites Hibbard's definition ('Happiness in human facial expressions, voices and body language, as trained by human behavior experts') and says it is satisfied by drugged humans or tiny mannequins. Copy claim link
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Date 2003-05-29 · publication Role Contesting Register (kind of text) Nonfiction Engagement Engages a premise. Under the message-level rule, the passage, read with the paragraph, message or dialogue turn it belongs to, gives a reason against the premise that a short instruction such as 'make people happy' specifies what we want. Scope and limits Premise addressed: A short instruction such as 'make people happy' specifies what we want. Earliest located form in this archive of the smiling-faces argument used in Coherent Extrapolated Volition (2004). "This one" is Bill Hibbard's proposal.
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Re: SIAI's flawed friendliness analysis (SL4 mailing list) ↗ SL4 mailing list · 2003-05-29
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Source excerpt “Not only does this one get satisfied by euphoride, it gets satisfied by quintillions of tiny little micromachined mannequins.” Location in source message body, paragraph beginning 'Not only does this one get satisfied by euphoride'
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Source details and check notes Authors Eliezer Yudkowsky Version Archive HTML as served, retrieved 2026-10-07 (SHA-256 eaa61dd6ea6cfb711e3c629427f8cf0acd2cf013b77137578a196890fb5666c2); quoted lines excluded when reading the author’s text. The served archive shows later URL rewriting and does not authenticate historical bytes. Archive at sl4.org. Canonical address Open the canonical source ↗ Accessed 2026-10-07 Language English (en) Attribution Eliezer Yudkowsky, “Re: SIAI's flawed friendliness analysis”, SL4 mailing list, 2003-05-29. Reuse No open redistribution licence asserted. Bibliographic metadata, editorial paraphrases and short attributed quotations (at most 50 words each). Recheck terms before wider redistribution. Check notes Candidate pack passage T04-s2. The quotation (19 words) matched the retrieved expression (SHA-256 eaa61dd6ea6cfb711e3c629427f8cf0acd2cf013b77137578a196890fb5666c2) when checked on 2026-10-07. Status and meaning Editorial status. Not reviewed by an editor . An exploratory record that no editor has accepted. This status does not say whether a person has read any linked passage. Each evidence record above shows how it was checked.
Relation. A passage of the document disputes the proposition or a premise it depends on. The record documents the text’s position, not who is right.
Date. Archive author index lists the message as "Thu May 29 2003 - 15:14:45 MDT" under "Eliezer S. Yudkowsky".
Record ID yk-y04-sl4-2003-05-29-yudkowsky-0305-6846-c