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The Extropians message “Re: IA vs. AI was: longevity vs singularity” (1999-08-01) bears on Y05. Replying to den Otter, who argued that goal-achievement is by definition the goal, he calls this the wireheading paradox: an AI may pursue the indicator of success instead of the goal it was meant to measure. Copy claim link
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Date 1999-08-01 · publication Role Context Register (kind of text) Nonfiction Missing element About an internal indicator of goal achievement, not about human feedback or approval. Scope and limits Premise addressed: Optimising a system for human approval or reward produces internalised human values. About an internal success indicator, not human feedback or approval; a precursor of the reward-signal point in his SL4 message of 2000-10-03. A wireheading argument (an indicator of goal achievement confused with the goal), replying to den Otter; not about feedback training.
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Re: IA vs. AI was: longevity vs singularity (Extropians mailing list) ↗ Extropians mailing list · 1999-08-01
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Source excerpt “if pleasure is the goal, then maybe you need a pleasure-indicator so you know how happy you are; and then maybe the AI will devote itself to increasing the indicator” Location in source message body, paragraph beginning 'If it's "by definition", then'
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Source details and check notes Authors Eliezer Yudkowsky Version Archive HTML as served, retrieved 2026-10-07 (SHA-256 8bcb591200086e9c95aaf3bf320d518d366fa66f403ceb081f7d4b448e1c398b); quoted lines excluded when reading the author’s text. The served archive shows later URL rewriting and does not authenticate historical bytes. Archive at extropians.weidai.com. Canonical address Open the canonical source ↗ Accessed 2026-10-07 Language English (en) Attribution Eliezer Yudkowsky, “Re: IA vs. AI was: longevity vs singularity”, Extropians mailing list, 1999-08-01. Reuse No open redistribution licence asserted. Bibliographic metadata, editorial paraphrases and short attributed quotations (at most 50 words each). Recheck terms before wider redistribution. Check notes Candidate pack passage T05-e2. The quotation (30 words) matched the retrieved expression (SHA-256 8bcb591200086e9c95aaf3bf320d518d366fa66f403ceb081f7d4b448e1c398b) when checked on 2026-10-07. Status and meaning Editorial status. Not reviewed by an editor . An exploratory record that no editor has accepted. This status does not say whether a person has read any linked passage. Each evidence record above shows how it was checked.
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Date. Archive author index lists the message as "1999-08-01" under "Eliezer S. Yudkowsky".
Record ID yk-y05-extropians-1999-08-01-yudkowsky-1386-b