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The Extropians message “Re: Does a parental model work for having A.I. that can be trusted?” (1999-08-04) contests Y05. In the thread 'Does a parental model work for having A.I. that can be trusted?', he calls the parenting model anthropomorphic: whether AIs are raised permissively or harshly makes no difference, because parenting relies on human emotions an AI will not have. Copy claim link
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Date 1999-08-04 · publication Role Contesting, Earliest located Register (kind of text) Nonfiction Engagement Engages a premise. Under the message-level rule, the passage, read with the paragraph, message or dialogue turn it belongs to, gives a reason against the premise that AI training will instil values the way upbringing instils morals in children. Scope and limits Premise addressed: AI training will instil values the way upbringing instils morals in children. Concerns child-rearing as a model for AI motivation, before machine-learning feedback training was the method at issue. A near-identical copy was posted seconds apart (a second Extropians message of 1999-08-04, 'isn't going to exist'). Quotation shortened for the ~10% cap. Quotation shortened to respect the ~10% cap for a short message.
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Re: Does a parental model work for having A.I. that can be trusted? (Extropians mailing list) ↗ Extropians mailing list · 1999-08-04
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Source excerpt "Parenting" isn't going to help … emotions that won't exist in an AI.” Location in source message body, paragraph beginning '"Parenting" isn't going to help'
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Source details and check notes Authors Eliezer Yudkowsky Version Archive HTML as served, retrieved 2026-10-07 (SHA-256 3b2d6b2b2285f03c56382a096fc6ebdaf54003e6bac0124bf96ba0bf3665c7d2); quoted lines excluded when reading the author’s text. The served archive shows later URL rewriting and does not authenticate historical bytes. Archive at extropians.weidai.com. Canonical address Open the canonical source ↗ Accessed 2026-10-07 Language English (en) Attribution Eliezer Yudkowsky, “Re: Does a parental model work for having A.I. that can be trusted?”, Extropians mailing list, 1999-08-04. Reuse No open redistribution licence asserted. Bibliographic metadata, editorial paraphrases and short attributed quotations (at most 50 words each). Recheck terms before wider redistribution. Check notes Candidate pack passage T05-e1. The quotation (13 words) matched the retrieved expression (SHA-256 3b2d6b2b2285f03c56382a096fc6ebdaf54003e6bac0124bf96ba0bf3665c7d2) when checked on 2026-10-07. Status and meaning Editorial status. Not reviewed by an editor . An exploratory record that no editor has accepted. This status does not say whether a person has read any linked passage. Each evidence record above shows how it was checked.
Relation. A passage of the document disputes the proposition or a premise it depends on. The record documents the text’s position, not who is right.
Date. Archive author index lists the message as "1999-08-04" under "Eliezer S. Yudkowsky".
Record ID yk-y05-extropians-1999-08-04-yudkowsky-1587-c