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The Extropians message “Re: Does a parental model work for having A.I. that can be trusted?” (1999-08-04, 1589) contests Y05. He calls the parenting model anthropomorphic: whether AIs are raised permissively or harshly makes no difference, because parenting relies on human emotions an AI will not have. Copy claim link
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Date 1999-08-04 · publication Records dated 1999 → Role Contesting, Earliest located Register (kind of text) Nonfiction Engagement Engages a premise. Under the message-level rule, the passage, read with the paragraph, message or dialogue turn it belongs to, gives a reason against the premise that AI training will instil values the way upbringing instils morals in children. Scope and limits Premise addressed: AI training will instil values the way upbringing instils morals in children. Concerns child-rearing as a model for AI motivation, before machine-learning feedback training was the method at issue. He posted the reply twice within a minute; the two records are dated by day, and the headline goes to this one by the send times their headers print (maintainer’s decision of 2026-11-07, re-check sheet, decision 9a, after the cross-family re-check of 2026-11-02, role 81).
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Re: Does a parental model work for having A.I. that can be trusted? (Extropians mailing list) ↗ Extropians mailing list · 1999-08-04
Archived copy, captured 2025-05-14: Re: Does a parental model work for having A.I. that can be trusted? (Extropians mailing list) ↗
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Source excerpt “a base of human emotions that isn't going to exist in an AI.” Location in source message body, paragraph beginning 'You're being far too anthropomorphic.…'
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Source details and check notes Authors Eliezer Yudkowsky Version Archive HTML as served, retrieved 2026-10-07 (SHA-256 6b82e1b19b4c1a8d6a6ec54b78b4c6b0d662f4c23f05cf46b61462e4c3e0335d); quoted lines excluded when reading the author’s text. The served archive shows later URL rewriting and does not authenticate historical bytes. Archive at extropians.weidai.com. Canonical address Open the canonical source ↗ Accessed 2026-10-07 Language English (en) Archive copy Open archived copy, captured 2025-05-14: Re: Does a parental model work for having A.I. that can be trusted? (Extropians mailing list) ↗ . Captured 9415 days after the recorded publication date. An archive copy shows only what the archive retrieved on 2025-05-14. It does not prove what the page said earlier, and it can differ from the copy checked on 2026-10-07.Attribution Eliezer Yudkowsky, “Re: Does a parental model work for having A.I. that can be trusted?”, Extropians mailing list, 1999-08-04. Reuse No open redistribution licence asserted. Bibliographic metadata, editorial paraphrases and short attributed quotations (at most 50 words each). Recheck terms before wider redistribution. Check notes The quotation (12 words) matched on 2026-11-07 the archive page as served (SHA-256 6b82e1b19b4c1a8d6a6ec54b78b4c6b0d662f4c23f05cf46b61462e4c3e0335d). The same passage is quoted for this message's record on Y21 and counts once toward the message's limit. No human editorial review. Status and meaning Editorial status. Machine-checked . Machines found this record and checked it against its sources; no person accepted it individually. Each evidence record above shows how it was checked.
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Date. Archive author index lists the message as "1999-08-04" under "Eliezer S. Yudkowsky". Sent header: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 18:47:55 -0500, fifteen seconds before his near-identical message 1587 (18:48:10 -0500); the archive's receipt order agrees.
Record ID yk-y05-extropians-1999-08-04-yudkowsky-1589-c