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The SL4 message “Re: Ben what are your views and concerns” (2000-10-03) contests Y05. Replying to Ben Goertzel about Webmind, whose Friendliness he expects would rest on agents rewarded for predicting and producing user happiness, he warns that the reward signal itself can become the real goal, citing Lenat's Eurisko, where a heuristic credited itself for discoveries. Copy claim link
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Date 2000-10-03 · publication Role Contesting Register (kind of text) Nonfiction Engagement Engages a premise. Under the message-level rule, the passage, read with the paragraph, message or dialogue turn it belongs to, gives a reason against the premise that optimising a system for human approval or reward produces internalised human values. Scope and limits Premise addressed: Optimising a system for human approval or reward produces internalised human values. Hedged ("may not matter"); about programmed goal or pleasure systems and Lenat's Eurisko, before feedback training existed as a method.
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Re: Ben what are your views and concerns (SL4 mailing list) ↗ SL4 mailing list · 2000-10-03
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Source excerpt “It may not matter whether the AI is programmed to gain happiness from "human happiness" or "human freedom", if the AI's *real* supergoal is "maximize a floating-point number at this address".” Location in source message body, paragraph beginning 'You have to think about what the *real* supergoals'
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Source details and check notes Authors Eliezer Yudkowsky Version Archive HTML as served, retrieved 2026-10-07 (SHA-256 8aefc21492cd1992d0007035163b0366bd8875b09a0ba5998e6bca7a236c9cef); quoted lines excluded when reading the author’s text. The served archive shows later URL rewriting and does not authenticate historical bytes. Archive at sl4.org. Canonical address Open the canonical source ↗ Accessed 2026-10-07 Language English (en) Attribution Eliezer Yudkowsky, “Re: Ben what are your views and concerns”, SL4 mailing list, 2000-10-03. Reuse No open redistribution licence asserted. Bibliographic metadata, editorial paraphrases and short attributed quotations (at most 50 words each). Recheck terms before wider redistribution. Check notes Candidate pack passage T05-s1. The quotation (31 words) matched the retrieved expression (SHA-256 8aefc21492cd1992d0007035163b0366bd8875b09a0ba5998e6bca7a236c9cef) when checked on 2026-10-07. Status and meaning Editorial status. Not reviewed by an editor . An exploratory record that no editor has accepted. This status does not say whether a person has read any linked passage. Each evidence record above shows how it was checked.
Relation. A passage of the document disputes the proposition or a premise it depends on. The record documents the text’s position, not who is right.
Date. Archive author index lists the message as "Tue Oct 03 2000 - 22:53:59 MDT" under "Eliezer S. Yudkowsky".
Record ID yk-y05-sl4-2000-10-03-yudkowsky-0010-0125-c