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The SL4 message “Re: Military Friendly AI” (2002-06-27) contests Y16. In a thread on military Friendly AI, replying to Ben Goertzel, he argues that present-day researchers probably hold undiscovered moral errors, so an AI's morality must be able to outgrow its programmers' rather than be fixed. Copy claim link
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Date 2002-06-27 · publication Role Contesting Register (kind of text) Nonfiction Engagement Engages a premise. Under the message-level rule, the passage, read with the paragraph, message or dialogue turn it belongs to, gives a reason against the premise that present-day or programmers' values are settled enough to fix permanently in an AI. Scope and limits Premise addressed: Present-day or programmers' values are settled enough to fix permanently in an AI. Earliest located for this premise specifically; his SL4 message of 2000-10-03 is the earliest SL4 answer to ‘Giving it good human values’ (Y16) overall.
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Re: Military Friendly AI (SL4 mailing list) ↗ SL4 mailing list · 2002-06-27
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Source excerpt “Ben, what makes you think that you and I, as we stand, right now, do not have equally awful moral errors embedded in our psyche? A couple of centuries ago a lot of people thought slavery was a good thing. That's why a Friendly AI's morals can't be frozen.” Location in source message body, paragraph beginning 'Ben, what makes you think that you and I'
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Source details and check notes Authors Eliezer Yudkowsky Version Archive HTML as served, retrieved 2026-10-07 (SHA-256 e078235c39cd3f3355f695cd34983ddb4143021fd48a272ee1dc912441c81171); quoted lines excluded when reading the author’s text. The served archive shows later URL rewriting and does not authenticate historical bytes. Archive at sl4.org. Canonical address Open the canonical source ↗ Accessed 2026-10-07 Language English (en) Attribution Eliezer Yudkowsky, “Re: Military Friendly AI”, SL4 mailing list, 2002-06-27. Reuse No open redistribution licence asserted. Bibliographic metadata, editorial paraphrases and short attributed quotations (at most 50 words each). Recheck terms before wider redistribution. Check notes Candidate pack passage T16-s2. The quotation (49 words) matched the retrieved expression (SHA-256 e078235c39cd3f3355f695cd34983ddb4143021fd48a272ee1dc912441c81171) when checked on 2026-10-07. Status and meaning Editorial status. Not reviewed by an editor . An exploratory record that no editor has accepted. This status does not say whether a person has read any linked passage. Each evidence record above shows how it was checked.
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Date. Archive author index lists the message as "Thu Jun 27 2002 - 11:53:11 MDT" under "Eliezer S. Yudkowsky".
Record ID yk-y16-sl4-2002-06-27-yudkowsky-0206-4453-c