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The Extropians message “Re: Does a parental model work for having A.I. that can be trusted?” (1999-08-04) contests Y21. In a thread titled 'Does a parental model work for having A.I. that can be trusted?', he tells the poster that how AIs are raised makes no difference and that 'parenting' cannot help, because it depends on human emotions an AI will not have. Copy claim link
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Date 1999-08-04 · publication Role Contesting, Earliest located Register (kind of text) Nonfiction Engagement Engages a premise. Under the message-level rule, the passage, read with the paragraph, message or dialogue turn it belongs to, gives a reason against the premise that training on human text or behaviour yields human-like thought and motives. Scope and limits Premise addressed: Training on human text or behaviour yields human-like thought and motives. The premise addressed is upbringing or parenting of an AI, not training on human text corpora (cf. his SL4 message of 2002-03-09). He posted the reply twice within a minute (also as a second Extropians message, ending 'that won't exist in an AI'). Quotation shortened to respect the ~10% cap for a short message. Near-duplicate of that second Extropians message, posted 15 seconds apart.
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Re: Does a parental model work for having A.I. that can be trusted? (Extropians mailing list) ↗ Extropians mailing list · 1999-08-04
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Source excerpt “a base of human emotions that isn't going to exist in an AI.” Location in source message body, paragraph beginning 'You're being far too anthropomorphic.…'
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Source details and check notes Authors Eliezer Yudkowsky Version Archive HTML as served, retrieved 2026-10-07 (SHA-256 6b82e1b19b4c1a8d6a6ec54b78b4c6b0d662f4c23f05cf46b61462e4c3e0335d); quoted lines excluded when reading the author’s text. The served archive shows later URL rewriting and does not authenticate historical bytes. Archive at extropians.weidai.com. Canonical address Open the canonical source ↗ Accessed 2026-10-07 Language English (en) Attribution Eliezer Yudkowsky, “Re: Does a parental model work for having A.I. that can be trusted?”, Extropians mailing list, 1999-08-04. Reuse No open redistribution licence asserted. Bibliographic metadata, editorial paraphrases and short attributed quotations (at most 50 words each). Recheck terms before wider redistribution. Check notes Candidate pack passage T21-e1. The quotation (13 words) matched the retrieved expression (SHA-256 6b82e1b19b4c1a8d6a6ec54b78b4c6b0d662f4c23f05cf46b61462e4c3e0335d) when checked on 2026-10-07. Status and meaning Editorial status. Not reviewed by an editor . An exploratory record that no editor has accepted. This status does not say whether a person has read any linked passage. Each evidence record above shows how it was checked.
Relation. A passage of the document disputes the proposition or a premise it depends on. The record documents the text’s position, not who is right.
Date. Archive author index lists the message as "1999-08-04" under "Eliezer S. Yudkowsky".
Record ID yk-y21-extropians-1999-08-04-yudkowsky-1589-c