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The SL4 message “Re: Novamente goal system” (2002-03-09) contests Y21. Replying to Ben Goertzel on the Novamente goal system, he lists as an anthropomorphic intuition the expectation that Novamente will be 'socialized' by interacting with humans, and argues that human socialization depends on evolved adaptations an AI would lack. Copy claim link
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Date 2002-03-09 · publication Role Contesting Register (kind of text) Nonfiction Engagement Engages a premise. Under the message-level rule, the passage, read with the paragraph, message or dialogue turn it belongs to, gives a reason against the premise that training on human text or behaviour yields human-like thought and motives. Scope and limits Premise addressed: Training on human text or behaviour yields human-like thought and motives. The premise addressed is learning from interaction with humans (2002-era AGI design), not training on large human text corpora. The paragraph's first sentence restates Goertzel's expectation and is excluded from the quotation.
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Re: Novamente goal system (SL4 mailing list) ↗ SL4 mailing list · 2002-03-09
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Source excerpt “However, the ability of humans to be socialized is the result of millions of years of evolution resulting in a set of adaptations which enable socialization. Without these adaptations present, there is no reason to expect socialization to have the same effects.” Location in source message body, paragraph beginning '(b) Novamente will be "socialized" by…'
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Source details and check notes Authors Eliezer Yudkowsky Version Archive HTML as served, retrieved 2026-10-07 (SHA-256 6da0fda25fe2709b03a3f6f350909cf0a81bad1623df601296f0b803ddcc3e26); quoted lines excluded when reading the author’s text. The served archive shows later URL rewriting and does not authenticate historical bytes. Archive at sl4.org. Canonical address Open the canonical source ↗ Accessed 2026-10-07 Language English (en) Attribution Eliezer Yudkowsky, “Re: Novamente goal system”, SL4 mailing list, 2002-03-09. Reuse No open redistribution licence asserted. Bibliographic metadata, editorial paraphrases and short attributed quotations (at most 50 words each). Recheck terms before wider redistribution. Check notes Candidate pack passage T21-s1. The quotation (42 words) matched the retrieved expression (SHA-256 6da0fda25fe2709b03a3f6f350909cf0a81bad1623df601296f0b803ddcc3e26) when checked on 2026-10-07. Status and meaning Editorial status. Not reviewed by an editor . An exploratory record that no editor has accepted. This status does not say whether a person has read any linked passage. Each evidence record above shows how it was checked.
Relation. A passage of the document disputes the proposition or a premise it depends on. The record documents the text’s position, not who is right.
Date. Archive author index lists the message as "Sat Mar 09 2002 - 12:56:21 MST" under "Eliezer S. Yudkowsky".
Record ID yk-y21-sl4-2002-03-09-yudkowsky-0203-3148-c