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The SL4 message “Re: Seed AI (was: How hard a Singularity?)” (2002-06-23) contests Y21. Replying to Ben Goertzel's view that an AI will absorb human thought-patterns through interaction, he argues that human socialization and empathy rest on evolved, hardwired mechanisms and that an AGI will not acquire them merely by exposure to humans. Copy claim link
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Date 2002-06-23 · publication Role Contesting Register (kind of text) Nonfiction Engagement Engages a premise. Under the message-level rule, the passage, read with the paragraph, message or dialogue turn it belongs to, gives a reason against the premise that training on human text or behaviour yields human-like thought and motives. Scope and limits Premise addressed: Training on human text or behaviour yields human-like thought and motives. Concerns experiential learning from human interaction, not modern pretraining on human-generated data; the analogy is rhetorical.
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Re: Seed AI (was: How hard a Singularity?) (SL4 mailing list) ↗ SL4 mailing list · 2002-06-23
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Source excerpt “An AGI is not going to automatically pick up basic human empathy from interacting with humans any more than a rock would develop empathy for humans if constantly passed from hand to hand. *Nothing* in AI is automatic.” Location in source message body, paragraph beginning 'Empathy is a good analogy, unfortunately.…'
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Source details and check notes Authors Eliezer Yudkowsky Version Archive HTML as served, retrieved 2026-10-07 (SHA-256 8fd31c8bb942dfb3da4906a254fc68c2f4112869ebe5f9811a6f54dc977d7310); quoted lines excluded when reading the author’s text. The served archive shows later URL rewriting and does not authenticate historical bytes. Archive at sl4.org. Canonical address Open the canonical source ↗ Accessed 2026-10-07 Language English (en) Attribution Eliezer Yudkowsky, “Re: Seed AI (was: How hard a Singularity?)”, SL4 mailing list, 2002-06-23. Reuse No open redistribution licence asserted. Bibliographic metadata, editorial paraphrases and short attributed quotations (at most 50 words each). Recheck terms before wider redistribution. Check notes Candidate pack passage T21-s2. The quotation (38 words) matched the retrieved expression (SHA-256 8fd31c8bb942dfb3da4906a254fc68c2f4112869ebe5f9811a6f54dc977d7310) when checked on 2026-10-07. Status and meaning Editorial status. Not reviewed by an editor . An exploratory record that no editor has accepted. This status does not say whether a person has read any linked passage. Each evidence record above shows how it was checked.
Relation. A passage of the document disputes the proposition or a premise it depends on. The record documents the text’s position, not who is right.
Date. Archive author index lists the message as "Sun Jun 23 2002 - 11:56:42 MDT" under "Eliezer S. Yudkowsky".
Record ID yk-y21-sl4-2002-06-23-yudkowsky-0206-4219-c