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The SL4 message “Re: Ben's "Extropian Creed"” (2000-11-13) contests Y22. Replying to Ben Goertzel about his newspaper article on Extropian attitudes, he states that he no longer holds his earlier belief that a good outcome would follow automatically from objective morality. Copy claim link
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Date 2000-11-13 · publication Role Contesting, Earliest located Register (kind of text) Nonfiction Engagement Engages a premise. Under the message-level rule, the passage, read with the paragraph, message or dialogue turn it belongs to, gives a reason against the premise that reaching superintelligence is good by default, so speed is what matters. Scope and limits Premise addressed: Reaching superintelligence is good by default, so speed is what matters. Retrospective rejection of his own earlier view; a candidate later side for the earlier-self case of Staring into the Singularity (2000-08-31). It rejects the 'good by default' premise only: in the next paragraph of the same message he still says he is 'devoting my life to making the Singularity happen earlier'. Speed is not yet rejected here. The same message (November 2000) says he is "devoting my life to making the Singularity happen earlier"; it rejects automatic goodness, not speed.
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Re: Ben's "Extropian Creed" (SL4 mailing list) ↗ SL4 mailing list · 2000-11-13
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Source excerpt “I used to have the extremely convenient belief that Friendly AI would happen completely on automatic because morality was objective. I now believe that Friendly AI needs to be more complex than that” Location in source message body, paragraph beginning 'I used to have the extremely…'
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Source details and check notes Authors Eliezer Yudkowsky Version Archive HTML as served, retrieved 2026-10-07 (SHA-256 22277544b5e518ca17552545372aabf649cdd6ac8cb758f29c9a5b68bacedbd5); quoted lines excluded when reading the author’s text. The served archive shows later URL rewriting and does not authenticate historical bytes. Archive at sl4.org. Canonical address Open the canonical source ↗ Accessed 2026-10-07 Language English (en) Attribution Eliezer Yudkowsky, “Re: Ben's "Extropian Creed"”, SL4 mailing list, 2000-11-13. Reuse No open redistribution licence asserted. Bibliographic metadata, editorial paraphrases and short attributed quotations (at most 50 words each). Recheck terms before wider redistribution. Check notes Candidate pack passage T22-s1. The quotation (33 words) matched the retrieved expression (SHA-256 22277544b5e518ca17552545372aabf649cdd6ac8cb758f29c9a5b68bacedbd5) when checked on 2026-10-07. Status and meaning Editorial status. Not reviewed by an editor . An exploratory record that no editor has accepted. This status does not say whether a person has read any linked passage. Each evidence record above shows how it was checked.
Relation. A passage of the document disputes the proposition or a premise it depends on. The record documents the text’s position, not who is right.
Date. Archive author index lists the message as "Mon Nov 13 2000 - 22:45:54 MST" under "Eliezer S. Yudkowsky".
Record ID yk-y22-sl4-2000-11-13-yudkowsky-0011-0181-c