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The Extropians message “Re: regarding the Eliezer vrs. Otter debate...” (2000-03-16) contests Y29. Replying to John Grigg's hope that 'an AI on our team' would neutralise a hostile AI armed with nanotechnology, he says there would be no teams because the first AI would enhance itself and take over. Copy claim link
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Date 2000-03-16 · publication Role Contesting, Earliest located Register (kind of text) Nonfiction Engagement Engages a premise. Under the message-level rule, the passage, read with the paragraph, message or dialogue turn it belongs to, gives a reason against the premise that multiple superintelligences will balance each other in humans’ favour. Scope and limits Premise addressed: Multiple superintelligences will balance each other in humans’ favour. 'Sysop' is his 2000 term for a superintelligence acting as an operating system for matter. Eleven months earlier than his SL4 message of 2001-02-04.
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Re: regarding the Eliezer vrs. Otter debate... (Extropians mailing list) ↗ Extropians mailing list · 2000-03-16
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Source excerpt “No teams. Even if it's theoretically possible to have advanced Minds with conflicting goals, the first AI on the field would enhance itself and become Sysop.” Location in source message body, paragraph beginning 'No teams. Even if it's…'
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Source details and check notes Authors Eliezer Yudkowsky Version Archive HTML as served, retrieved 2026-10-07 (SHA-256 1f9eea6e779673fd023fe73118b43f052af3a62fa9d08cba93302ddf04c172f8); quoted lines excluded when reading the author’s text. The served archive shows later URL rewriting and does not authenticate historical bytes. Archive at extropians.weidai.com. Canonical address Open the canonical source ↗ Accessed 2026-10-07 Language English (en) Attribution Eliezer Yudkowsky, “Re: regarding the Eliezer vrs. Otter debate...”, Extropians mailing list, 2000-03-16. Reuse No open redistribution licence asserted. Bibliographic metadata, editorial paraphrases and short attributed quotations (at most 50 words each). Recheck terms before wider redistribution. Check notes Candidate pack passage T29-e2. The quotation (26 words) matched the retrieved expression (SHA-256 1f9eea6e779673fd023fe73118b43f052af3a62fa9d08cba93302ddf04c172f8) when checked on 2026-10-07. Status and meaning Editorial status. Not reviewed by an editor . An exploratory record that no editor has accepted. This status does not say whether a person has read any linked passage. Each evidence record above shows how it was checked.
Relation. A passage of the document disputes the proposition or a premise it depends on. The record documents the text’s position, not who is right.
Date. Archive author index lists the message as "Thu Mar 16 2000 - 16:43:29 MST" under "Eliezer S. Yudkowsky".
Record ID yk-y29-extropians-2000-03-16-yudkowsky-5105-c