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The SL4 message “Re: Ben's "Extropian Creed"” (2000-11-13) contests Y30. Replying to Ben Goertzel, he rejects his own earlier belief that a good AI outcome would follow automatically, and in the next paragraph adds that cyber-transcendence cannot be assumed. Copy claim link
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Date 2000-11-13 · publication Role Contesting, Earliest located Register (kind of text) Nonfiction Engagement Engages a premise. Under the message-level rule, the passage, read with the paragraph, message or dialogue turn it belongs to, gives a reason against the premise that the default outcome is good. Scope and limits Premise addressed: The default outcome is good. Retrospective rejection of his earlier view; a candidate later side for the earlier-self case of Staring into the Singularity (2000-08-31). Corroborated by his SL4 messages of 2000-12-10 ('A year ago I wouldn't have worried about this possibility at all') and 2004-06-04 ('since late 2000 when I first realized it was theoretically possible for someone to screw up the Singularity'). Same sentence as recorded for ‘Build superintelligence as fast as possible’ (Y22).
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Re: Ben's "Extropian Creed" (SL4 mailing list) ↗ SL4 mailing list · 2000-11-13
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Source excerpt “I used to have the extremely convenient belief that Friendly AI would happen completely on automatic because morality was objective. I now believe that Friendly AI needs to be more complex than that” Location in source message body, paragraph beginning 'I used to have the extremely…'
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Source details and check notes Authors Eliezer Yudkowsky Version Archive HTML as served, retrieved 2026-10-07 (SHA-256 22277544b5e518ca17552545372aabf649cdd6ac8cb758f29c9a5b68bacedbd5); quoted lines excluded when reading the author’s text. The served archive shows later URL rewriting and does not authenticate historical bytes. Archive at sl4.org. Canonical address Open the canonical source ↗ Accessed 2026-10-07 Language English (en) Attribution Eliezer Yudkowsky, “Re: Ben's "Extropian Creed"”, SL4 mailing list, 2000-11-13. Reuse No open redistribution licence asserted. Bibliographic metadata, editorial paraphrases and short attributed quotations (at most 50 words each). Recheck terms before wider redistribution. Check notes Candidate pack passage T30-s1. The quotation (33 words) matched the retrieved expression (SHA-256 22277544b5e518ca17552545372aabf649cdd6ac8cb758f29c9a5b68bacedbd5) when checked on 2026-10-07. Status and meaning Editorial status. Not reviewed by an editor . An exploratory record that no editor has accepted. This status does not say whether a person has read any linked passage. Each evidence record above shows how it was checked.
Relation. A passage of the document disputes the proposition or a premise it depends on. The record documents the text’s position, not who is right.
Date. Archive author index lists the message as "Mon Nov 13 2000 - 22:45:54 MST" under "Eliezer S. Yudkowsky".
Record ID yk-y30-sl4-2000-11-13-yudkowsky-0011-0181-c